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news, president obama announces a shake-up at the irs. the man at the top, gone. plus, more breaking news with the white house releasing more than 100 pages of internal e-mails regarding the attack in bengha benghazi. and shocking new details about the abuse of three women held captive in a cleveland home. one of them called a human punching bag. that investigation, let's go "outfront." good evening, everyone. "outfront" tonight, we begin with breaking news. the benghazi e-mails have been released. there are a lot of them. under intense pressure from members of both parties. the white house has now released more than 100 pages of e-mails detailing the back and forth between the cia, the state department, and the white house
in developing those talking points about the deadly attack on the american diplomatic compound in benghazi. now here are the e-mails. these e-mails were first obtained at cnn by jay tapper. we read through them word for word. they detail the evolution of the talking points used in the days of the attacks by members of the administration to talk to the media about what prompted the attacks and what was happening on the ground. now, as i said, i read through every single one of these. there are still a lot of questions. but this phrase spontaneously inspired by the protests at the u.s. embassy in cairo. that crucial phrase is here in every iteration. in these e-mails, no one questioned it. it is unclear if anyone questioned it separate from these e-mails that have been released. obviously, knowing the conversations around that designation is absolutely crucial. we do know, though, that initial version of the talking points stated, i want to quote it here, "we do know the islamic extremists with ties to al qaeda
participated in the attack." now the final version of the talking points as we can see here in the e-mails a much shorter version, reads this way, "there are indications that extremists participated in the violent demonstrations." those may sound similar to you. let me be clear about the difference. the word attack is now the word demonstrations which is obviously very different. and the words al qaeda are not there. now the white house has long maintained that it made only one edit which by the way it is very clear that edit main by ben rhodes is here. they changed the word consulate to diplomatic compound. so who should be held responsible for the substantive edits which were made? are there key more documents the white house has yet to release? even though this looks like a lot of pages, clearly there were other conversations. does this document dump exonerate the white house, that is the crucial question. we have a team pouring over the documents from every angle, everything is covered tonight.
jessica yellin is here with me, dana bash and gloria borger. jessi jessica, let me start with you, with a perspective from the white house. you've had a chance to read through these, i know it's difficult when they're blocking out all these names from the cia to interpret what it means. what were the takeaways for you? >> a couple points. first of all, those two most controversial changes that you point out were, in fact, made by the cia, not by the white house which underscores what the administration has been saying all along. they did not make those changes that they have been blamed for all these many months. and that the cia made them because the cia wanted to protect the, as they put it, integrity of the on going investigation. so that's consistent with what the administration has said all along. now that helps the white house. on the flip side, there is still
fodder in all these e-mails for the critics. for example, there is an e-mail as i first reported on friday that the state department took issue with the fact that the attack was blamed on an al qaeda affiliate. state department did not want that out. and that came out of the final version of the talking points. no doubt critics will hold that up to say that was politically motivated. now i should point out that cia director, we're told, the cia deputy director agreed with that change. so bottom line, erin, there's plenty in these e-mails for both sides to make their case which means this issue isn't going to go away any time soon. >> no, absolutely. and, of course, john boehner has already requested more data. on that note, dana, speaker boehner's office, i'm just looking at the note here from a spokesman brendan buck that we received, right, saying we hope this limited release of documents is a sign of more cooperation to come. they want a lot more
information. >> they do. we should also remind our viewers that as late as today, this morning, john boehner had a press conference demanding the white house do exactly what they did tonight. so, you know, we should make that point clear because this is exactly what he was asking for. but you're right, erin. they're saying this is not enough. he said this is not enough. they believe there are other, in their words, "relevant documents" that the white house still won't produce. they're saying this is a hopeful sign of things to come. that's the process. talking about the substance, jessica is, of course, exactly right on the fact that critics are saying well, they think this proves some of their points. the most specific issue in here is victoria neuland at the state department e-mailing, saying she wanted things to be taken out because of concerns of leadership in the building. republicans here still insist in reading these e-mails that that was for a political reason.
what we don't know, as you mentioned, it's very important to point out, erin, we don't know the conversations that went on off line, not an e-mail, on the phone, that could fill in some of the holes here. but this is what we have. this is what republicans were demanding. >> erin -- >> right. it's interesting -- yes. go ahead. >> you know, what this really does is it kind of lifts the veil on what was going on internally in the bureaucracy there between the cia and the state department. i mean what we can say now, what we didn't know then is that benghazi was really a cia outpost, more cia people there than state department people there. and what victoria neuland was saying was, first of all, we have to be consistent when we declassify things. i don't want more information to be in these talking points. i've been able to say from the podium at the state department.
also, a lot of this detail would have implied at the very least that the state department had not been doing its job in policing benghazi. and so what you really have here is sort of a group grope, right? trying to figure out what they can say because the former okay director goes to the hill, testifies privately. the folks on the hill say to him, we would like to be able to say some of that publicly. he says i'll get back you to. this gets dumped in the lap of all the people trying to decide what they can release. the white house's main point is this was not political. it was really driven by intelligence. >> again, i have a question to you on that front. victoria nuland e-mailed, she being the spokeswoman for the state department. page 37 of the e-mails. she talks about the ultimate point, the point where at that point the talking point said there was multiple warnings of
terrorist attacks. she says it could be abused by members of congress to beat the state department for not paying attention to warning. why do we want to feed that either? question mark, concerned. as you said, there are things in this e-mail that can exonerate the white house. but that line itself does come off as very political. >> well, first of all it speak to the distrust of members of congress as much as anything else. and i think there really was a sense of, wait a minute, this is not our place, this is your people, it's not the state department, it's the cia. and so by giving the sense that there were all of these warnings and we should have known about it, is something that i think she felt was unfair. her argument has always been this was not -- this was not for political reasons but just for the fact that she was protecting her turf. >> and she couldn't say it from the podium so why put it in the
talking points. >> as demonstrated by how political this whole process has become. victoria nuland was concerned about exactly what has happened. officials you talk to here will emphasize that the talking points, the e-mails were -- she phrased that badly, it was clumsy, they say this is a sort of process they go through with many, many, many talking points every day, and it just -- they don't really focus on how they're wording it, so these e-mails they thought would clear up the fact that they weren't trying to be strategic or political for anybody. it's just a process. >> and the one thing i would point out, erin -- >> do you think we'll get -- the whole reason they were having these conversations is, it was a request from here in congress. a senior democrat wanted them to
give members of the republicans and democrats what they can say to the media. it was an issue of what's classified and what's not, not what is politically accurate and what's not. >> all right, thanks to all three of you, that, of course, raises the questions to those of you thinking about this, imagine if there had been talking points like this put out after the september 11th 2001 attacks, the back and forth you would see, the warnings, things like that, you can realize how incredibly complicated this is. "outfront" next, we have more on this breaking news. peter king, he's asked a lot of questions about this, is he satisfied? plus, the other break news that we are following tonight, the big move at the top of the irs, the boss gone. president obama took away his job. and new details on the investigation in cleveland tonight, police back at the home where the three women were held captive for years. they have removed more items from the home and backyard. marty savage investigates. [ female announcer ] what if the next big thing, isn't a thing at all?
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back with breaking news tonight. after intense pressure, the white house has just released about 100 pages of e-mail that's detailing the back and forth between the cia, the state department and the white house as they discuss the controversial talking points surrounding the attack on the u.s. diplomatic compound in benghazi. peter king is on the house intelligence committee. he's been demanding transparency. good to see you, sir. you've had a chance to read the e-mails. are you satisfied these are the answers that you need and that they have given all the information? >> first of all, they have been given all the information. there are thousands of pages of e-mails. even allowing just for these 100 pages, to me this makes it clear in the final result, these were not cia talking points. one, you have the cia public affairs office saying we revised the talking points because of state department concerns. the changes were made because
the state department, not because of what the cia wanted to do. and page 95, the director of the cia saying i just as soon not use this. the director of the cia would rather not even use the talking points. he said in the end it's the final call of the national security council. these were not a cia product. they were revised dramatically. and also, as you mentioned before, all of our references of al qaeda were taken out. victoria nuland saying she wanted the references to al qaeda taken out because there was not enough evidence to defend that from the podium. there also wasn't enough evidence to defend the fact that these -- that this attack resulted from a spontaneous attack. so this was a spontaneous demonstration caused by a video. >> and congressman, let my follow up on that point. as you point out, victoria
nuland, the spokeswoman for the state department did raise a lot of concerns about she didn't want the warnings in there which neither did mike morel, also saying don't blame sharia when we're not sure. but there is also another question i have to you which is from the very beginning of this e-mail to congressman king, the sentences in here into that these attacks were spontaneously inspired about it protests at the u.s. embassy in cairo. nobody from any part of, petraeus, cia, no one questions that. is it possible that that is indeed what the cia thought? >> well, let me tell you. i can't say what general petraeus said at the first hearing. i can tell you he came back to testify on november 16th after he left the cia. and it was reported in the media that he said that from the very first moments he believed this was a terrorist attack. and obviously we know what the state department people on the ground said.
it was a terrorist attack. i believe that there was an notice put out by the white house which worked its way in from the start. he said he thought it was terrorists from the start. we know testimony from people on the ground that they thought it was terrorists. we know ambassador stevens thought it was an attack. i think this raises questions for the cia and you have mike morel making the changes over the objections of david petraeus, the direct your, how does the number two guy get to make the changes when the director thinks the changes should not be made? >> there does seem to be some discrepancy there. but it also seems, are we ever going to find out who put those words in -- spontaneously inspired by protests from cairo. that's what the cia has done and handed over for conversation. it appears to back up the white house's assertion that that came from the cia. >> i agree. that's the way it's there. again, if you go back to what general petraeus said after he left the cia, he thought it was terrorists from the start.
if he thought it was terrorists from the start, and this is a question i asked, if he thought it was terrorists from day one, why did his initial talking points refer to it being a spontaneous demonstration? was there white house interference from the start? again, the two just don't jive, especially when we hear testimony of those that are on the ground which the cia had to have access to. >> and one final question, sir. does this change your view on whether hillary clinton should be taking more of the blame? obviously, the one person requesting, again, from the e-mail that's we have which are incomplete but yet there are 100 pages of them, the one person requesting the changes in e-mail is the spokeswoman for the state department. does that then go back to hillary? do you blame hillary clinton more? >> no. i have a great regard for secretary clinton. i think she'll have to answer in detail why this happened. you know, was she in contact with victoria nuland. was she dealing with her directly? did this happen below her level? how did this come about?
obviously, secretary clin is a key player here and she'll have to explain what happened and why it happened and was victor why newland acting on her own? why was she so intent on removing al qaeda? why were they so definitive about that, again, going back to the original cia talking points, references to al qaeda were also in there. why did one come out and the other stay? >> thank you very much, congressman king. all right. our second story outfront, breaking news, the acting commissioner of the irs gone. in an angry statement to the media, president obama announced that he was relieved of his job. jim acosta joins me. he's been following this story intently. you just got the letter that the treasury secretary wrote to steven miller, clearly this administration trying to show
they are angry about this scandal. what else does the letter say? >> erin, i mean, this is a letter you don't see released very often in washington and to the public. i'll show it to you right here, this is it. this say letter from the treasury secretary jack lu to acting irs commissioner stephen miller and it says "while i very much appreciate your many years of loyal service at the irs, i find it necessary at this time to request your resignation." short and to the point. and another sign that the president is starting to get serious about this scandal. with a growing chorus of criticism that president only offered a weak response to political targeting at the irs, mr. obama seized the moment to get tough. >> today secretary lu took the first step by requesting and accepting the resignation of the acting commissioner of the irs because given the controversy surrounding this audit, it's important to institute new leadership. >> at a hearing on the widening scandal, eric holder vowed to follow the facts wherever they lead.
>> anybody who has broken the law will be held accountable. >> john boehner has the punishment in mind. >> my question isn't about who's going to resign. my question is, who's going to jail over this scandal. >> republicans are furious over an inspector general's report that found the irs inappropriately targeted conservative groups applying for tax exempt stat justice. roughly one-third of the organization's targeted by the irs had the words tea party, patriot or 912 in their names. but as it turns out, liberal groups also received extra scrutiny. austin-based progress texas tells cnn it received an irs questionnaire similar to those sent to tea party groups. that's not likely to satisfy some republicans. florida gop senator marco rubio accused president obama of creating a culture of intimidation that led to the irs abuse. >> these are the tactics of a third world.
>> some republicans argue democrats have been raising questions about the tax exempt status of the tea party groups for years. just last year a group of democratic senators wrote the irs commissioner asking whether the agency is investigating or intends to investigate tax exempt political groups? max baucus says the concern was always bipartisan. >> some of my friends across the aisle are claiming the irs was just doing what democrats wanted, examining the conservative groups. let me clear up this misperception. i, for one, have never advocated targeting conservative groups. >> reporter: many in congress fear current laws would only lead to firings for the irs officials involved in the scandal. ohio republican mike turner wants to change that. >> we want to make it a felony so we don't have this again. our goal here is the penalty be high enough to stop the activity. >> and president obama will be facing more questions about this. he is scheduled to hold a news conference at the white house at noon tomorrow. and republicans leaders on capitol hill say putting this on the acting commissioner of the irs, they're planning to hold several hearings on this scandal
over the next several weeks. erin? >> jim acosta, thank you very much. another big issue facing the president. still to come, late breaking details about what the three women went through in cleveland where they were held captive for a decade who got the preferential treatment and who was treated like a human punching bag. plus, an exclusive look at the crisis in guantanamo bay. an investigation tonight into how much of your tax dollars are going to keep gitmo open. i got this. [thinking] is it that time? the son picks up the check? [thinking] i'm still working. he's retired. i hope he's saving. i hope he saved enough. who matters most to you says the most about you.
injuries due to tornados. authorities say at least three homes have been flattened in granbury, and at least ten people are injured there. a search and effort rescue is underway right now. in the ft. worth area, there are reports of several fatalities and as many as 100 injuries due to tornados. take a look at these pictures right now. they show a funnel cloud near granbury, giving you a sense of the scale of this weather system that's caused so much damage. of course, we're hearing now that a search and rescue operation is underway in these areas hit by this tornado. i want you to take a listen now to a man who was in the area and saw all of this unfold. take a listen. >> well, the hail started and that was probably ten minutes worth. and then the tornado just started going in circles.
it probably lasted minutes at the most. >> we're also hearing that the search and rescue operation is underway. the emergency responders are also having to deal with gas leaks and power outages in hood county. we had the sheriff on earlier, he was saying there were serious injuries that had occurred. in fact, he said some so severe people had already lost limbs. i want to bring in donna martin, vfw worker now, to talk to us a little more about the situation. thanks for joining us, what can you tell us about the situation on the ground right now. >> the most of it is at the american legion, and from what i gathered, the back of the building is taken off, and they're doing a triage center in the parking lot, the whole area, that subdivision back there is basically destroyed. they have school buses go in and
pulling people out. evacuating people to two churches in granbury, i just got a tid bit i guess there's people in the lake they're trying to pull out. it's just real crazy in that area. >> donna, just for our viewers, so we're absolutely clear, there are a number of counties affected by these tornados, where are you in the situation you're describing? >> we are -- the vfw, and they did not confuse that with the american legion, the vfw is on 377 west between granbury and toller, we did see rotation in front of our building and then it went into down, and they had softball sized hail. i did hear -- my husband called and said that there was a car that was lifted by the granbury high school, and it went further into town and it went out toward
the american legion and they have throws roads closed down. >> this is such a scary situation. as you describe the hail and chaos. this is all caught -- >> softball sizes hail, and they have the highway, and davis road closed down. >> and amaern thely there's no electricity, it's dark and they can't see anything. >> and the triage center that you mentioned, what kind of injuries are they seeing? >> i'm sorry, ma'am, can you ask again? >> the triage center that you're talking about, do you know the type of injuries that medical officials are dealing with? >> what we're hearing, it's very traumatic, a lot of traumatic injuries so farther, there's two fatalities. we won't hear more probably until a little longer, when they come in.
we're hearing more what's going on. >> and, you know, it's the early stages of all of this. and we're trying to piece these things together. >> yeah, it's dark and it came in and hit so fast. >> thank you for your time. donna martin, joining us on the line. we'll be following this story all night here on cnn. the situation is one that we're trying to piece together. it's a fast moving story, we know search and rescue operation is underway on the ground there. in a number of counties in texas, we're hearing of fatalities and of injuries. stay with cnn, we're going to continue to follow this story for you, right now, back to erin burnett "outfront" after this quick break about
welcome back to "outfront." we start the second half of our program tonight with stories where we focus on our reporting from the front lines. there is a lot of breaking news tonight including a jury reaching a verdict in the second phase of the jodi arias murder trial. it only took an hour and a half for them to find that arias was cruel when she stabbed, shot, and nearly decapitated her ex-boyfriend, travis alex ander in 2008. that word cruel was crucial. they had to agree on that and do so unanimously to open up the possibility of a death sentence. now they've done. that they can choose death. that is the next phase of the trial. but our senior legal analyst says the next stage is a lot more complicated challenge for the prosecution because they have to show arias deserves no mercy. that last phase is expected to go on for about a week.
today marks exactly one month since the boston marathon bombing and while it was day of remembrance, a new controversy is brewing. 13 deputy fire chiefs say their chief didn't show leadership that day. today the mayor addressed their letter of no confidence in which letter of no confidence in which they allege the chief has become a spectator at emergency scenes. he says his fire commissioner is looking into the allegations and will need answers before deciding what to do. he defends his actions to us saying he ultimately takes responsibility for what goes on at these scenes. it has been 650 days since the united states of america lost its top credit rating. stocks started down today but they ended the day with yet another all time high. >> and now our third story "outfront." we have new details late breaking tonight about ariel castro who is accused of holding three women captive for more than a decade. according to his attorneys who spoke to wkyc, he plans to plead not guilty. and they are planning for trial. this comes as the city of cleveland moments ago honored the first responders who helped rescue michelle knight, amanda
berry and gina dejesus from castro's home last week. we're learning more about how the women were treated. while they were being held captive. our martin savage is "outfront" in cleveland with the latest. >> reporter: a family friend of one of the victims says accused kidnapper ariel castro abused all three captive women. but seemed to be especially brutal to michelle knight, using her as his main "punching bag." she was his first victim and held the longest in the home. according to the friend, he would hit knight with all sorts of objects, including hand weights. as a result, the woman suffered vision loss, joint and muscle damage as well as other problems. the same source has castro treat ed amanda berry slightly better because she gave birth to a child that dna tests show castro fathered. all three women have been described as underweight.
>> well, i think that the initial portrayal by the media has been one of a monster and that's not the impression that i got when i talked to him for three hours. >> reporter: speaking to cnn affiliate wkyc, an attorney for ariel castro says community and media have been too quick to demonize him. so how will castro plead? >> it will be a not guilty plea. >> castro's 25-year-old daughter emily who is serving time in indiana for attempting to kill her own baby, told a private investigator she, too, saw strange things inside her father's home but had no idea he was holding three women prisoner. the private eye recorded her account of a conversation she had with her father. >> i said can i sleep upstairs in my old bedroom? he said, no, because it's cold up there. it is blocked off. you know, dusty and so i just was like, okay. >> reporter: detectives were back at castro's home today, removing four motorcycles from
the backyard and loading them into trailers. police also could be seen struggling to carry out a five gallon jug filled with pocket change. one more odd sight from a home that for more than a decade kept its secrets locked up inside. and erin, i had a conversation with the prosecutors office. i was wondering where do things and they say right now this case is under investigation. they have to go to a grand jury. it expected charges will come, many more of them and more serious charges. as you already heard, his attorneys say they will plead not guilty. erin? >> big development, a concern we reported at least when he had initial conversations had admitted to much of this. all right. thank you very much. and now our fourth story "outfront." gitmo's growing tab. so tonight the calls continue to grow louder and louder and louder for the military to stop
force feeding the 100 detainee who's have been on a hunger strike for 100 days. we're learning now not only how much money is being spent and waste the because of the current standoff with detainees, but also how much taxpayers, that's you and me are shelling out to keep this prison open. chris lawrence has been given access and reporting live for us all week on this exclusive series. he has more tonight in an "outfront" investigation. >> the workers still cook three meals a day for gitmo's detainees. up to 100 hunger strikers send them back, wasting thousands of dollars a day. president obama signed an executive order to close gitmo on his second day in office. more than four years have passed and the president's smiling face is still posted at the prison's headquarters. >> i continue to believe that we have to close guantanamo about
>> it costs taxpayers $25,000 a year to keep someone in federal prison. in a high security prison where convicted terrorists are held, the tab can top $60,000. sounds expensive until you compare it to what it costs here at guantanamo bay. it costed $900,000 per prisoner, per year to hold detainees. so each man in gitmo is equal to the cost of operating three months of white house tours, four guantanamo detainees pay for training one new air force pilot. cnn got exclusive access inside the cell blocks of camps five and six. but what we don't see here is camp seven, the ultra secretive compound where khalid sheikh mohammed and other high profile detainees are being kept. totally off-limits to the media. but it may hold the clue to what the obama administration really has planned for guantanamo bay.
officials won't release details on potential renovations to camp seven. >> i'll simply say there is a need. i mean, the facilities are in need of upgrade and replacement. >> the military is asking for $50 million to build a new camp seven. does that suggest that this is not closing any time soon? >> we have to always plan to conduct that mission from this point into, you know, the future. policymakers will decide whether that mission is over. >> gitmo's former chief prosecutor says on going renovations suggest it's here to stay. >> if this continues to the end of the obama administration, we'll spend another three quarters of a billion dollars to keep these people at guantanamo. >> so why is it so expensive? because the u.s. has very little relationship with cuba. so all the food, supplies, manpower, the lawyers all have to be brought in by boat or plane. so do the construction workers. and because all of this was built to be temporary, things
are constantly wearing out or breaking down and, again, you have to import all of those construction crews. erin? >> all right. thank you very much. just incredible those numbers and just laying them out that way, i never heard it quite that way before. it certainly is stunning. next, we have more on the breaking news tonight. the white house releasing about 100 pages of e-mails about the benghazi attack, the acting head of the irs booted. will this be enough to silence the president's critics or does he have too much scandal to survive? plus, why an american state is set to ban the sale of an incredibly popular car. and saving lives through technology used to fight war. ♪ to more efficient pick-ups. ♪ wireless is limitless. we're not in london, are we? no. why? apparently my debit card is. what? i know.
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tesla motors. since january they have turned a profit. now on the car count, bmw, mercedes, and audi, just today the shares surged 7% after the close of trade when the company's founder put another $100 million into the company. tesla has done all this without a middleman, ie, a physical dealer. that has other car companies and dealers really upset. look, lately we talk about tesla. i can't imagine waiting an hour to recharge my car, but even if you don't want a tesla, you have to respect its way of doing things. in the past few years, book shops and big box stores have been replaced and face real competition from companies like amazon and google. online eye ware companies cut into bricks and mortar optometry. this is life. this is what happens. tesla should be celebrated for what it is doing. a few days ago, we told you about france proposing a bill to
tax smart phones. the bill in north carolina is kind of the same thing. it's time for lawmakers in france and north carolina to realize innovation cannot be stopped. legislation should not be the answer. tonight the white house making two major announcements, first releasing the 100 pages of e-mails detailing the back and forth showing how the so-called talking points about the attack on the american compound in benghazi changed overtime. it's a lot of pages, it's not all the pages. a short time later, president obama made a very tearse statement about the irs targeting certain groups. and saying the acting commissioner has resigned. the question is, you got these scandals, the department of justice targeting one of the most important media organizations in this country without a subpoena on its phone
records. will any of this cry at the critics? ryan salam and stephanie miller. great to have both of you with us. the president moving aggressively to get rid of the head of the irs saying i do not tolerate this. they put out nearly 100 pages of e-mails, they are trying to make all this go away, will it work? >> i'm skeptical, partly because the concern is that if you saw this happen here in the irs, if you saw this happen to the associated press, there are deeper concerns about whether or not they've taken a slip shod attitude toward surveilling other institutions. they insisted for so long, there was no their there. it's going to be media organizations that are no longer going to take statements made by the white house at face value. >> stephanie, do you agree? is this just blood in the water? >> you know, erin, i got to say,
if i hear one more republican say this is worse than watergate, it's worse than watergate. i mean really? pick up a history book. first of all, this acting director was a bush appointee. the reason we don't have a real director is because republicans have obstructed appointing one like everything else they've obstructed. the irs blew the whistle on themselves. nick ox, you know, that was a nixon plan. he authorize who had to do audits against. look, there is an explosion of tea party groups after citizens united. and this was not done correctly, erin. this is not even close to watergate as john dean has said. >> well, stephanie, it's interesting. dana millbank wrote in "the washington post" an interesting take on this saying you're right. this is not like watergate. it's the opposite. it's watergate was a control freak president. this is a president who doesn't seem to have control over anything at all. everybody is doing whatever they want. the implication being it's just
as bad, just different. >> well, i mean, erin, look, let's look at the ap thing. if this were a republican president, republican was have said oh, those sissies this is national security. who cares? they're just is a double standard. i mean to have dick cheney say oh, this was lies and this was a cover-up. don't even get me started on the bush administration in terms of -- i mean he's talking about benghazi. really? there was a three-day cover-up before it was determined an act of terror? come on. >> made an astute observation on msnbc. he said that part of the issue, the government is so vast, there is no way for the president to be held accountable. and i think that when you think about it more deeply, it really is true. that the government is so vast, that it's difficult for any one man to really surveil its authority and abuse of its authority. the president has offered to expand the writ, and that's part
of why you have conservatives reacting to this set of scandals. that i think, again, these are folks who say that, well, maybe the scope of government is already sufficiently broad we shouldn't rush to expand further. those are some of the deeper issues raised over what we have seen the last couple of weeks. >> all right. thanks very much to both of you. i have to say this, it does seem republican or democrat, the other side always does seem to see the blood in the water and that's a big frustration in the whole system. next, how technology used by fighter pilots used to kill people is actually saving lives in the most incredible way you can imagine. i'm the next american success story. working for a company
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coke-coke or koch-koch. we're not sure, but a rough translation of the english phrase knock, knock, or who's there. they believe it can tell you can who is there, because their site better understands the nuances of the vietnamese and therefore their information more relevant. we tested it out. one of our producers searched for my name on koch-koch, and instead of me it was pictures of my head on other women's bodies. so we decides to search for people that are relevant in vietnam that we talk a lot about on this program that the search engine will know. we started with a search for vladimir putin, which returned perfectly a wikipedia page and amazing articles about his exploits. and then we tried to search for prince harry that returned a bunch of gossip stories about his love life and recent trip to the u.s. pretty fair, right? and finally we searched for prince albert and koch-koch did a lot better than google.
so it sounds like an old joke, right? a neurosurgeon and two ex israeli officers walk into a coffee shop. but what happens next is no punch line. it was a chance encounter that has turned an old idea developed to prepare fighter pilots for battle into an innovative new idea that could save lives. engage, outmaneuver, and eliminate enemy aircraft. the mission of a fighter pilot is often deadly. training vital. to prepare pilots, flight simulators were developed to they could practice before a critical mission. now this 100-year-old technology has inspired an entirely new idea that could save lives. it's called surgical theater. in 2010, dr. warren sellman, neurosurgeon in chief in university hospitals in cleveland overheard retired israeli soldiers talking about flight simulator technology in a
local coffee shop. >> they actually design the flight simulator for the f-16. i mean, i thought, wow, that is like the most technically complex thing you could do. >> he wondered if doctors could rehearse surgery in the same way a fighter pilot rehearses a mission. >> when i overheard them talking about flight simulators, it sort of clicked, and i said why can't we do this for surgery? >> sellman says he has often found himself flying blind when performing operations on the brain, because he can't see behind vital arteries. >> the key is to figure out which aneurism clip will best fit it and how do we best approach the aneurism. and previously, the only way we had to do that was sort of in our mind's eye. now in surgical theater, we're actually able to reconstruct that aneurism in 3-d in the surgical theater, rotate the images and tough have the similar tools that we're going to use at the time of surgery. >> with surgical theater, the surgeon is able to practice until he finds the best way to stop an aneurism in its tracks, as sellman demonstrates. >> what this allows us to do that i can't do in any other way
other than imagining it, is go into the image and rotate it. let's take a look at that. so there you see, it looks like we've got both aneurism -- both tines are well beyond the aneurism dome here. we've got the dome secured and you can see that this back vessel we were worried about so much is opened, as well as the front vessel. >> dr. daniel bear, chair of the medicine in atlanta, georgia, he says that surgical theater is an important advance. >> and this is a goal that has been present in the field of surgery for many, many years and is finally coming to fruition. every time i see it, in the near future it will be widespread. >> he hopes that other surgeons will agree and embrace this new idea. >> we're trying to help even the most gifted surgeon